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Moon 8/4/2023 9:20 PM

Oh yeah, it's been like this for around 10 years iirc

notafed ↩️

Reply to: i've heard of it before but i didn't know there were entire communities until now

id argue there had to be some dial-up age internet community, but i am very unaware of such...

\ oops that was me

I mean there's gotta be imaginary-friend-enjoyers before the internet too, right?

10:26 PM

like furries

10:26 PM

furries have been around since like. paleolithic times

i know astarea's web or whatever had non trauma based plurality community, as much as they sucked as a person

10:26 PM

maybe they were on dark personalities or something.. idk

stephen king popularized the idea of writers creating independent characters through the writing process

10:28 PM

and others have said they experienced something similar

oh yes i remember that too

so I imagine writers are probably the oldest community of tulpamancers

i think alot of that took place on tumblr though?? mayb not

I think writers existed before the internet

can't be sure

10:29 PM

(this was a joke)

if you develop a fictive from a work you made but never published can it still be considered a fictive?

kaybee

if you develop a fictive from a work you made but never published can it still be considered a fictive?

writing is tulpaforcing

ekhem :jesus joins the chat:

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oh yeah I guess religious people practice tulpamancy in the lamest possible way

writing is tulpaforcing

@blanka - jump does that extend to discord messages?

making a cop in their head

10:30 PM

intentionally

i would say animism but christianity id biggest community

kaybee

writing is tulpaforcing

@blanka - jump does that extend to discord messages?

yes

kaybee

if you develop a fictive from a work you made but never published can it still be considered a fictive?

i mean we call them that

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

i would say animism but christianity id biggest community

animism is just walk-in style christianity

well i wouldnt say that, animism is probably foundation of all religions and might say a lot about how some functions of the human mind work, also in the context of plurality

10:33 PM

but you probably jokes

10:33 PM

joked

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Leiko

joked

yes, it was a joke

10:35 PM

animism is cool and religion is fine I was just making the comparison that hyper-polytheism where everything has some sort of personality/spirit is a bit like walkins vs intentional tulpaforcing (prayer and whatnot)

animism is cool! :)

blanka

animism is cool and religion is fine I was just making the comparison that hyper-polytheism where everything has some sort of personality/spirit is a bit like walkins vs intentional tulpaforcing (prayer and whatnot)

since the case with Jesus tulpas and the like is still done without the knowledge that it's tulpamancy, I'd still call it a walk-in/let-in rather than intentional... but definitely more focussed

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id argue there had to be some dial-up age internet community, but i am very unaware of such...

i found a post from 2004 on tribe.net about egregore and tulpas.. hm. it seems like they wanted to experiment to make an egregore... but i wonder why they used egregore and tulpa interchangeably?

10:51 PM

there has to be like some occult handbook or something that conflates the two

since the case with Jesus tulpas and the like is still done without the knowledge that it's tulpamancy, I'd still call it a walk...

@Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 - jump I mean, there's intention behind it to "hear god" so I'd argue it's intentional--just a misattribution of the mechanism

10:54 PM

i found a post from 2004 on tribe.net about egregore and tulpas.. hm. it seems like they wanted to experiment to make an egregor...

@Deleted User - jump I see egregore used nowadays to describe abstract social entities--different religions (not jesus in particular) is an egregore, because it is a social entity which survives through attention and dedication from its members

10:54 PM

Same with political ideologies, companies, organizations of any kind, really

oh I see what you mean blank

It's a way to model our relationship with multi-person organizations; capitalism is another egregore

10:55 PM

but egregore has been used to describe tulpa-like phenomenon for a long time, so I don't doubt that's what the guy on tribe.net meant

this server is egregore (edited)

10:55 PM

sometimes into agrogore

oh yes I'm sure but i wonder where it all comes from

@Deleted User - jump 20th century mysticism is where most of those terms got popularized, including tulpamancy (although that may have been 19th century in origin, I can't recall)

10:56 PM

Alistair Crowley, those kinda guys

well yeah i know that :p but i like to see where that and this intersect into the internet

Oh! I see. Well, a lot of cults and other mystical orgs recruited and organized on the internet

10:58 PM

So I imagine it's bleedover from there, heaven's gate kinda stuff (although, I hope less ritual suicide)

agreed..

i wonder if this server's already talked about bicameral mind theory yet...

11:53 PM

based off past discussions, i'm sure @KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk has the most concise opinions on it out of anyone

kaybee

i wonder if this server's already talked about bicameral mind theory yet...

Bicameral mind theory?

Gibby

Bicameral mind theory?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality

Bicameral mentality

Bicameral mentality is a hypothesis introduced by Julian Jaynes who argued human ancestors as late as the Ancient Greeks did not consider emotions and desires as stemming from their own minds but as the consequences of actions of gods external to themselves. The theory posits that the human mind once operated in a state in which cognitive functi...

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Moon

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mSaPARuohFEO7qX3gVgKAh69XwU0VlKwnD0I_-nddvk/edit#bookmark=id.ta86azlu0vif

Oh I know the author, the Luigi.exe system I'll ask them for a copy

Yes please and thank you

does this mean uncontacted tribes are full of people who don't have consciousness?

idk, go ask them :3c

i don't think it's plausible tbh

3:21 AM

another case of philosophers thinking too much

3:23 AM

you can see anything you like since it's 3000 years ago nobody can debunk you

maybe, but the only recorded criticisms surround referring to other works like the Epic of Gilgamesh

the inside of the brain doesn't really matter to know about imo but the brain is a bunch of loosely connected sections that do different things, you can think about raising your arm, and you can actually do it

like, i haven't seen a lot of counters to the theory that have any good scientific grounding

it seems more complicated than necessary we only just got consciousness as a species? why? we had language before

and i think this could have some standing to change some aspects of how we consider consciousness, where it arrives from, etc.

3:27 AM

and i've read the book, he's using "consciousness" in a way that differs from what you're interpreting

if consciousness is from language then does being bilingual make you plural

the way you interpret it he would define as "awareness" or something similar

i'm pretty sure you can still self-reflect without language

3:30 AM

the origin of consciousness is unlikely to be found by assuming people 3000 years ago didn't have it... based on what little records we have from back then

3:31 AM

religions have lasted longer

3:31 AM

here are some select passages noting the scattered definitions people apply to the term "consciousness"

3:32 AM

the lack of a sense of self, introspection and internal dialogue, and ability to think of time as linear

kaybee

Click to see attachment 🖼️

that's what i was imagining

sh

the origin of consciousness is unlikely to be found by assuming people 3000 years ago didn't have it... based on what little records we have from back then

then i'm confused about the meaning behind this statement. what i had meant earlier mentioning where consciousness comes from, that was the other interpretation regarding actually being sentient and, for lack of a better definition, able to rationalize doing more than fucking and eating and shitting

3:36 AM

understanding the distinction here could help us trek further backwards

3:38 AM

i only have a mediocre understanding of the theory but it is pretty interesting

and it is just that... interesting... it's like a creepypasta you read from /x/... except if you say it with a straight enough face and write enough books on it, it gets its own wikipedia page...

3:40 AM

i think humans have always been able to self-reflect because the development of it suddenly just seems implausible

nobody's saying it was instantaneous, but you can see the parallels in things like ancient artwork up to now

3:42 AM

10,000 years ago pretty much all art revolved around things like animals or gods. when humans were present in things like cave paintings, they were merely representational. stick figures to denote a head count.

3:44 AM

then you move on to around the era of the egyptians, and we have these wonderful preserved plaques of people, but again only to represent the explicit features of what's there. they still worship gods and still consider their commands to be immutable, only for the biologically lucky to parse. it's more descript, but still lacking in introspection.

'they just believed that because it was a perfect explanation for all things that couldn't be explained by science yet' ...is the idea that i believe and i think that's why people in the past were so religious

3:45 AM

forgive me for being so orthodox

it's fine but idk why you have to be so hostile about it

3:46 AM

even joyce had to deal with people mistaking his point so hard

3:47 AM

this is how the author describes his definition of consciousness (edited)

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it's entirely possible to fathom that even a select number of people today struggle with a weak inner dialogue or even have none at all.

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let alone that it was the mode of living before a certain point in time.

i can explain why i sound tired

3:51 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-electron_universe

One-electron universe

The one-electron universe postulate, proposed by theoretical physicist John Wheeler in a telephone call to Richard Feynman in the spring of 1940, is the hypothesis that all electrons and positrons are actually manifestations of a single entity moving backwards and forwards in time. According to Feynman: I received a telephone call one day at th...

3:51 AM

the above is the idea that the whole universe is just one electron going back and forward in time

here, if you'd like you can simply read it yourself instead of having me parse select passages for you

Julian_Jaynes_Society_-_Reflections_on_the_Dawn_of_Consciousness__Julian_Jaynes_s_Bicameral_Mind_Theory_Revisited_2013_Julian_Jaynes_Society_-_libgen.li.epub

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